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Dave Bish has five seminars I gave to some UCCFers on Monday and Tuesday.  I had no idea at the time, but apparently they add up to six and a half hours!

It was basically Three-fold Word stuff with some other teaching thrown in - Doctrine of God, Christ in Exodus, Trinity in Isaiah, David & Goliath, Christ in the NT, Luke 15, What is repentance?, etc.

It was a brilliantly enjoyable time - so thanks Bish for having me.  Good interaction with the guys and exciting to see how God's word will continue to work in us (1 Thes 2:13).

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It's been ten years.  Ten years since that fateful afternoon in Oak Hill chapel.  And I was there.  Graeme Goldsworthy and Paul Blackham debated the object of faith in the Old Testament (yes that was the issue - I know these things get muddled up, but that really was the issue).

If you haven't heard of these names, sorry - this post won't make a lot of sense to you...

A little background.  I grew up and was converted in Sydney Anglican churches (my Canberra church, St Matthew's, was essentially a Sydney church plant and all its clergy have been Moore College educated).

On the other hand, I had been working at All Souls, Langham Place for the previous 9 months and, against all my background and initial protests, I had begun to lean towards Blackham's view on Christ in the OT.  (You can read more on my current position here).   Nonetheless, my mind was not completely made up and I was extremely interested to hear Goldsworthy.

I can pinpoint the moment when I swung decisively against the Goldsworthy position.  A young student I'd never heard of called Mike Reeves asked the first question from the floor:

"What exactly is faith? And what exactly is the proper object of faith? The importance of that is to do with whether it has changed or not."

Blackham answered:

"Faith is trusting, loving, knowledge of Jesus Christ. That is always the object of faith. From the beginning until the end. So Martin Luther, “All the promises of God lead back to the first promise concerning Christ of Genesis 3:15. The faith of the fathers in the Old Testament era, and our faith in the New Testament are one and the same faith in Christ Jesus… The faith of the fathers was directed at Christ… Time does not change the object of true faith, or the Holy Spirit. There has always been and always will be one mind, one impression, one faith concerning Christ among true believers whether they live in times past, now, or in times to come.” The object of faith is the person of Christ, explicitly so. A trusting knowledge of him."

Goldsworthy answered:

"How can I disagree? Faith is defined by its object. There are all kinds of faith that people have: the truckdriver has faith in his truck that it will get across the bridge; he has faith in the bridge that it will bear him up. A Christian has faith that God’s assurances in his word that what he has done in his Son Jesus is sufficient for his salvation. The point where we may disagree is that to me if God puts the person and work of Christ in the form of shadows and types and images in the OT and assures people that if they put their trust in that they are undoubtedly saved, then that is deemed to be faith in Christ. It is faith in Christ in the form in which he is given, and the work of the Spirit all through the Bible is with regard to Christ as he is presented."

It was hearing that question and those two answers that tipped me decisively towards Blackham on this question.

Goldsworthy rightly identifies the point of disagreement.  For him, God puts Christ in the form of shadows etc such that Israelites who trusted the shadows and had no knowledge of the Person were deemed to have trusted in the Person.

Now over the past decade that answer has seemed to me to be less and less satisfactory.  To me that's a bad reading of the OT, a bad reading of the NT and a bad reading of systematics (Doctrine of God and soteriology for starters).

But here's the point of this post.  Ten years on it's very encouraging to hear more and more people who say that OT faith was in the Person of Christ.  Wonderful.  But it's interesting that they still might identify themselves on the Goldsworthy side of the debate.

And, hey, whatever, I don't really mind.  "The LORD is my banner" not men, right?  Absolutely.  But there is a point of disagreement here.  And Goldsworthy himself has identified it.  He says God put Christ in the form of shadows, OT saints trusted the shadows only, God deemed it to be faith in Christ.  Blackham says God presented Christ explicitly in the OT (shadows being one consciously understood means) and the OT saints explicitly trusted Him.  That's the point of departure.  Forget the names - the positions are significantly different.

Now to me, a person who says 'OT saints hoped in the Messiah but were fuzzy on details' lies decisively on Blackham's side of this debate.  But often they are an anonymous Blackhamite.  And anonymous even to themselves.

Here's what tends to happen.  It is assumed that the debate is merely a disagreement over the degree of progress in revelation.  And so a person figures that they're with Goldsworthy because they acknowledge progress and Blackham doesn't so much.

But really, the debate is not about progress.  It's about the object of faith.  Therefore if you say OT believers hoped in the Messiah Himself, Goldsworthy has told you which side of this debate you're on.  And it's not his.

We can still all be friends, brothers, sisters, co-workers in the gospel.  This is not some 'foul, wide ditch' dividing evangelicalism and I'm not interested in creating one.  But let's at least acknowledge that there are distinctions and on which side we stand.

Maybe you believe they trusted Christ, but still you identify as Goldsworthian.  That's ok.  I say you're speaking better than you know.  I deem you to have trusted Blackham anyway.

;-)

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Audio part A

Audio part B

Powerpoint Slides

Outgoing – Session 5 – 6 October 2011

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The Outgoing God

 Last week we considered the Triune God.

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The Trinity is not a maths problem,
It’s the good news that God is love, and we’re invited.

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What are the roles of the Persons?

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2 Corinthians 13:14:

Grace of the Lord Jesus Christ

Love of God

Fellowship of the Holy Spirit

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Isaiah 11:1-5

Isaiah 42:1-4

Isaiah 48:12-16

Isaiah 61:1-3

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Father

Son

Spirit

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What was there in the beginning?

Nothing

Chaos

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Power

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Love



 

Common Objection:  What’s all this nonsense about Trinity?  Isn’t it easier to stick with one God?

 


 

Nicene Creed

We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father; by whom all things were made; who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary, and was made man; he was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered, and was buried, and the third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures, and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father; from thence he shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.

And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceedeth from the Father, who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified, who spake by the prophets.

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What does it mean that the Son is “eternally begotten”?

By the Spirit and through the Son, God is eternally outgoing

Life-giving

Communicating

Shining

Loving

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Richard Sibbes: “God’s goodness is a communicative, spreading goodness. . . . If God had not a communicative, spreading goodness, he would never have created the world.  The Father, Son and Holy Ghost were happy in themselves and enjoyed one another before the world was.  But that God delights to communicate and spread his goodness, there had never been a creation nor a redemption.  God useth his creatures not for defect of power, that he can do nothing without them, but for the spreading of his goodness.”

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God so loved the world that He gave...

His Son...  and

His Spirit

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At Christmas He gave Himself particularly

At Pentecost He gave Himself universally


Common Objection: “Why did God make us?  And who made God?”


Recommended Reading: Genesis 1-5.

What is the relationship between

God <=> Humanity <=> World

Life and Death


Next Week: Dead

God is Life and life-giving, but how do we respond?  We naturally close ourselves off from our true Life-source.  This is the problem for the world.

An after-dinner talk on the KJV.  I speak about the impact of the KJV on language, on culture and then speak of the true King of the King James Bible.  Everyone left with my book at the end.  (If you want me to do something similar at your church, let me know).

Here's the Powerpoint.

And here's the audio.

 

I've just listened to these words by John Webster.  They are part of his preamble to two lectures on discipleship which can be downloaded here.  They have been like cool water in a dry and weary land:

When the perception of the abstractness of theology becomes widespread, "Practical Theology" tries to deal with the dissatisfaction generated by academic theology by presenting itself as a kind of corrective move.  As a way of directing theology back to its proper concern with Christian action in the church.  But whenever Practical Theology detaches itself from exegesis and dogmatics it ends up very quickly losing its own theological rationale.  That is, it can turn into a proposal that theology becomes engaged by placing itself, as it were, between the church and the world, listening earnestly to what the world says about itself and then shaping Christian practice in response to that.  And that move, I think, is little short of disastrous.

It's disastrous because it does what the church and its theology have no mandate to do, namely it takes the world seriously on the world's terms.  On the assumption that the world knows, of itself, where it is and what it is.  But taking the world seriously really means not taking it seriously on its own terms.  That is, not accepting the supposed self-evidentness of the culture's reading of itself.  Taking the world seriously means interpreting the world from the conviction that it is only in the light of the gospel that the world becomes intelligible.  And if it's the task of practical theology to reflect on Christian practice it mustn't do so as if it served two masters: the gospel and the world.  And it mustn't do so for the simple reason that the gospel either determines everything or it determines nothing.  There are not two masters to be served.  The gospel bears to us the universal and exclusive Lordship of Jesus Christ and He admits no rivals.

Forget the phrase "Practical Theology".  How much of what passes for "evangelical theology" is really the service of two masters?  More than this, how much service of two masters is championed precisely as the evangelical way of doing theology?

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I've just listened to these words by John Webster.  They are part of his preamble to two lectures on discipleship which can be downloaded here.  They have been like cool water in a dry and weary land:

When the perception of the abstractness of theology becomes widespread, "Practical Theology" tries to deal with the dissatisfaction generated by academic theology by presenting itself as a kind of corrective move.  As a way of directing theology back to its proper concern with Christian action in the church.  But whenever Practical Theology detaches itself from exegesis and dogmatics it ends up very quickly losing its own theological rationale.  That is, it can turn into a proposal that theology becomes engaged by placing itself, as it were, between the church and the world, listening earnestly to what the world says about itself and then shaping Christian practice in response to that.  And that move, I think, is little short of disastrous.

It's disastrous because it does what the church and its theology have no mandate to do, namely it takes the world seriously on the world's terms.  On the assumption that the world knows, of itself, where it is and what it is.  But taking the world seriously really means not taking it seriously on its own terms.  That is, not accepting the supposed self-evidentness of the culture's reading of itself.  Taking the world seriously means interpreting the world from the conviction that it is only in the light of the gospel that the world becomes intelligible.  And if it's the task of practical theology to reflect on Christian practice it mustn't do so as if it served two masters: the gospel and the world.  And it mustn't do so for the simple reason that the gospel either determines everything or it determines nothing.  There are not two masters to be served.  The gospel bears to us the universal and exclusive Lordship of Jesus Christ and He admits no rivals.

Forget the phrase "Practical Theology".  How much of what passes for "evangelical theology" is really the service of two masters?  More than this, how much service of two masters is championed precisely as the evangelical way of doing theology?

A Disciple is a learner.

Mathetes is the greek word for disciple (from which we get 'mathematics').  It's a term for learners. We are transformed by the renewing of our minds (Rom 12:3).

To be a disciple is to be Jesus' family

Matthew 12:49

To be a disciple is to be included in Jesus' ministry to the world

Matthew 15:36

There are disciples of all sorts of Teachers, a disciple of Jesus must switch allegiance

John 1:379:28Acts 20:30

'Disciples' often turn back from following Jesus...

John 6:66

But true disciples abide in Jesus' word

John 8:31

We show ourselves to be disciples by loving one another

John 13:35

Discipleship is about reflecting the Lord's glory.

2 Cor 3:18 - from the Lord outwards to the world

Evangelism makes disciples...

Matt 28:18-20 - we do not aim for converts merely but for disciples.

...and discipleship makes evangelists

The 12 disciples become 12 apostles (sent ones).  The call to Christ is the call to be a fisher of men - 'I believed therefore I spoke'.

Discipleship is not about getting people to do what they don't want to do.

Contrary to how it's often preached, the true learner is called to live out their new nature, not simply stifle their 'true desires'.

The call to discipleship is not gradual

We think of ramping up our expectations for discipleship over time.  Jesus calls us to die from the outset  (Luke 14:27,33).  The little stuff follows.

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