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If you're up for it, let's assemble at St Paul's Tube Station at 2pm.  (The Eastbourne crowd might be slightly late but we'll be there soon after).

Ideas running through my head:

  • I've got loads of Romans to hand out under the banner of... "St Paul's released a statement!  Free copy of St Paul's official position paper.  Come and hear/read about St Paul's comment on the current situation, etc, etc."
  • I'm thinking of making Mike Milmine dress as Jesus with a massive "Not in my name" placard.  (Mainly to embarass Mike you understand).
  • I'm sick of Jesus being used as a political mascot.  I'm also sick of Him being spoken about (even, and especially by clergy) as some long dead teacher whose teaching should be honoured.
  • Jesus is not left or right but seated at the right hand - "from there He shall come to judge the living and the dead" and the capitalist and the communist and all points in between.
  • Jesus remains above us all as Judge (Law), but there's good news - He has come down to us as a gift for the world - the bankers, the protestors and even the religious! (Gospel).
  • "Let me ask you a question... I'm going to read something from St Paul and as I read, ask yourself, "What side is Jesus on?"" - then read Philippians 2:5-11
  • "What would Jesus do?" is folk Christianity.  Historic Christianity is what did Jesus do?
  • Let me tell you about two of the 12 disciples.  One was called "Simon the Zealot".  He was an anti-establishment protestor.  He'd have been on Rome's list of potential terrorists.  A freedom fighter and a rebel.  The other was called "Matthew."  He was a tax-collector, getting rich through unfair practices.  A fat cat.  A white collar criminal.  Both of them were loved by Jesus - both of them found a place in His kingdom and in His ministry.
  • When Jesus returns, let's give communism a really good go.  Let's try it for a thousand years.  Maybe we can be Bolshevik's for 500 years and Menshevik's for 500 years, but let's give it a proper try.  Before then, our number one need is to be in on Christ's kingdom...
  • The LOVE of money is the root of all evil.  All the regulation in the world can't get at the heart.  The Law is like that.  but there's one thing that can bring lasting change - the gospel of Jesus - that can change the heart.
  • St Paul's statement on the use of wealth - read out 1 Timothy 5-6
Again, more ideas gratefully received.  And please do pray.

 

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If you're up for it, let's assemble at St Paul's Tube Station at 2pm.  (The Eastbourne crowd might be slightly late but we'll be there soon after).

Ideas running through my head:

  • I've got loads of Romans to hand out under the banner of... "St Paul's released a statement!  Free copy of St Paul's official position paper.  Come and hear/read about St Paul's comment on the current situation, etc, etc."
  • I'm thinking of making Mike Milmine dress as Jesus with a massive "Not in my name" placard.  (Mainly to embarass Mike you understand).
  • I'm sick of Jesus being used as a political mascot.  I'm also sick of Him being spoken about (even, and especially by clergy) as some long dead teacher whose teaching should be honoured.
  • Jesus is not left or right but seated at the right hand - "from there He shall come to judge the living and the dead" and the capitalist and the communist and all points in between.
  • Jesus remains above us all as Judge (Law), but there's good news - He has come down to us as a gift for the world - the bankers, the protestors and even the religious! (Gospel).
  • "Let me ask you a question... I'm going to read something from St Paul and as I read, ask yourself, "What side is Jesus on?"" - then read Philippians 2:5-11
  • "What would Jesus do?" is folk Christianity.  Historic Christianity is what did Jesus do?
  • Let me tell you about two of the 12 disciples.  One was called "Simon the Zealot".  He was an anti-establishment protestor.  He'd have been on Rome's list of potential terrorists.  A freedom fighter and a rebel.  The other was called "Matthew."  He was a tax-collector, getting rich through unfair practices.  A fat cat.  A white collar criminal.  Both of them were loved by Jesus - both of them found a place in His kingdom and in His ministry.
  • When Jesus returns, let's give communism a really good go.  Let's try it for a thousand years.  Maybe we can be Bolshevik's for 500 years and Menshevik's for 500 years, but let's give it a proper try.  Before then, our number one need is to be in on Christ's kingdom...
  • The LOVE of money is the root of all evil.  All the regulation in the world can't get at the heart.  The Law is like that.  but there's one thing that can bring lasting change - the gospel of Jesus - that can change the heart.
  • St Paul's statement on the use of wealth - read out 1 Timothy 5-6
Again, more ideas gratefully received.  And please do pray.

 

How do you think of judgement and salvation?

If you ask me - you shouldn't think like this:

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Instead think like this:

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Or to be a bit more nuanced - like this.

Now I could take this observation in many directions.

Perhaps we could explore its significance for an infra versus supra-lapsarian debate.

Perhaps we could discuss the strong link that some make between penal substitutionary atonement and limited atonement.

We could think about how to preach warnings of judgement (for instance warnings of exile in the OT) given that judgement is a-coming.

But I'm going to take the observation in this direction...

I'm becoming convinced that when Jesus says 'Take up your cross and follow me' (Mark 8:34) He's saying the same thingas Paul when he says 'I was crucified with Christ and I no longer live'  (Gal 2:20).

Think of some of Jesus' words:

"Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 And a person's enemies will be those of his own household. 37 Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.  (Matt 10:34-39)

So therefore, any one of you who does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple.  (Luke 14:33)

Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit. 25 Whoever loves his life loses it, and whoever hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life. 26 If anyone serves me, he must follow me; and where I am, there will my servant be also. If anyone serves me, the Father will honor him.  (John 12:24-26)

In the context of Jesus' own judgement and salvation He tells His followers what it means to come after Him.  It means being caught up in that same path - the only path of life.  Seeds must die to live - so it is with The Seed so it is with themany offspring His death produced.  Judgement then salvation.  To be saved is to die with Jesus - to join Him for an early judgement day and pass through to find true life.

Compare this with some words from Paul:

I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.  (Gal 2:20)

Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his, etc, etc  (Rom 6:3-5 and following)

But far be it from me to boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.  (Gal 6:14)

Here Paul describes his history as utterly determined by the cross and resurrection of Jesus.  Judgement and salvationhave happened for Paul because he has died and risen with Jesus to new life on the other side of wrath, death, sin, law, old creation.  And (apart from his Adamic flesh that still clings to him) he is utterly dead to the world around him and utterly brought into 'newness of life'.

Now.  Think of a sermon you've heard on the Jesus verses.  And think of a sermon you've heard on the Paul verses.  I imagine the tone of those two sermons was quite different.  I imagine that the Jesus sermons spent a lot of time presenting His words as moralistic exhortations and 'if-then' conditions before (perhaps) the preacher retracted the force of them and told you not to forget that you're 'saved by grace' ('grace' understood along the lines of diagram 1 not diagram 2).   And I imagine the Paul sermon comforted you with the whole 'union with Christ', 'newness of life' stuff and encouraged you that 'hey, you really are saved by grace.' (again, probably 'grace' as understood according to diagram 1)

I wonder if the Jesus sermons should sound more like the best of the Paul sermons.  And the Paul sermons should sound like the best of the Jesus sermons.  In other words, Jesus, the Seed, dies and rises on your behalf.  If you are His rejoice that you are created, shaped and defined by this death and resurrection in which you are crucified to the the whole world, and the whole world is crucified to you.  This is your salvation because there simply is no other way to resurrection than through the cross.  'Come and die' is not a fearful condition of life - maybe you're up to it, maybe not.  It's the description of how that life comes, wrapped up in the announcement that Jesus really has crucified the world to raise it up new - come on in.

If you are not dead to the world, this might well be a sign that you are not His.  Or that you have wandered far from Him.  So go to Him and take that easy yoke onto your shoulders (Matt 11:28-30).  Be constrained by the death and resurrection of Jesus, for this is salvation.  Or else be wearied and burdened by your own, much heavier yokes which cannot lead youthrough the judgement to come.

But for those who are yoked to Christ, know that you have begun, even now, to live that newness of life.  Even today as we walk together with Jesus, dying to sin and self and the praises and worries of this world, resurrection life is unleashed.  This mystical union with Christ (the best of the Paul sermons) is earthed in the daily discipleship of living for Jesus (the best of the Jesus sermons).  Let's have both.

I wonder if that's why Peter finishes his first letter (which is all about this judgement then salvation dynamic) by saying 'This is the true grace of God.' 1 Peter 5:12.

 

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Anyone up for some open air evangelism?  To the protestors, to the Cathedral staff, to passers-by... Does 2pm sound a stupid time?

And what do you think should be our angle?  How do we make it clear that Jesus aint on either side?  (Who wants to dress up as Jesus by the way - we could make a "Not in my name" placard!)

It seems to me that tax collectors and sinners (white collar criminals and flagrant law-breakers) both flocked to Jesus.  There was actually an alliance of the greedy and the groovy around Jesus.  Meanwhile the religious in their long flowing robes grumbled.  How do we model and proclaim that?

Lines that are running through my mind...

"What St Paul really said"

"The City that really counts"

"Those aren't the money-changers, and this aint the temple"

"Money is not the root of all evil - love of it is. It's a heart problem and it starts with me."

Your thoughts...?

 

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Anyone up for some open air evangelism?  To the protestors, to the Cathedral staff, to passers-by... Does 2pm sound a stupid time?

And what do you think should be our angle?  How do we make it clear that Jesus aint on either side?  (Who wants to dress up as Jesus by the way - we could make a "Not in my name" placard!)

It seems to me that tax collectors and sinners (white collar criminals and flagrant law-breakers) both flocked to Jesus.  There was actually an alliance of the greedy and the groovy around Jesus.  Meanwhile the religious in their long flowing robes grumbled.  How do we model and proclaim that?

Lines that are running through my mind...

"What St Paul really said"

"The City that really counts"

"Those aren't the money-changers, and this aint the temple"

"Money is not the root of all evil - love of it is. It's a heart problem and it starts with me."

Your thoughts...?

 

Outgoing – Session 8B – 27 October 2011

Michael Milmine

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Raised - part two

The Resurrection and Ascension of Jesus

Is God like a father?  No! God is Father

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When Christ ascends to His right hand He declares/ anoints/crowns/seats the Man Jesus. (Heb 1:5; Act 13:33)

Man is now in the presence of God.  And we are in Him!!

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Colossians 3:1-4 – We are raised with Christ!

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What are the benefits?

Saved from damnation

Accounted righteousness

Brought to life

Given His riches, inheritance and honour

A life of purpose...

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But these are not the greatest benefits of the Gospel.

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What is the greatest benefit of the Gospel?

We are given Christ Himself!

All other benefits are found in Him.


Discuss: What difference does it make to our evangelism and Christian lives that God offers us Christ, instead of abstract salvation ‘stuff’ zapped into us?



If the Gospel gives us commodities– we need to keep hold of them

If the Gospel gives us Christ – He keeps hold of us.

Therefore, we are not walking a tightrope, we are in our Head forevermore.

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Therefore we are saved by grace alone through faith alone

The gift of God to be received.


Common Objection:  What’s to stop people doing what they want and sinning?


Recommended Reading: Hebrews 1-5

What makes Jesus a good High Priest?

What is the quality of the Christian’s relationship to God?


 

Next Week: A Priestly People

How do we live our lives in Christ?  We rely on the Priesthood of Christ.  And we are a priesthood to the world.

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Outgoing – Session 8A – 27 October 2011

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Raised

 

He became what we are that we might become what He is

 

Tonight we see that Christ Himself is our salvation.  Just as our being in Adam was the problem, so the solution is the person of Christ.  We will examine Christ’s life, death, resurrection and ascension and how we are included in Him.

In this session we consider Christ's life and death.

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What is our Situation as Christ comes to us?

Dominated by five powers:

Wrath, Death, Sin, Law, the Flesh

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The Life of Jesus

Matthew 1:17 – Jesus the end of exile

Matthew 2:14-15 – Jesus the true Israel

Matthew 3 – Jesus joins us in our plight

Rest of Matthew – Jesus fights for us.

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Jesus did not just die for you – He lived for you too!

Jesus is our Representative.

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Martin Luther: “The chief article and foundation of the gospel is that before you take Christ as an example, you accept and recognize him as a gift, as a present that God has given you and that is your own. This means that when you see or hear of Christ doing or suffering something, you do not doubt that Christ himself, with his deeds and suffering, belongs to you. On this you may depend as surely as if you had done it yourself; indeed as if you were Christ himself. See, this is what it means to have a proper grasp of the gospel.”


Discuss: What’s the difference between reading the Gospels with Christ as your Example and reading the Gospels with Christ as your Representative?


Jesus was baptised into our life – we are baptised into His life

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It is a marriage union:  The King marries the prostitute.

“All that I am I give to you, all that I have I share with you.”

We get all His riches, He takes all our poverty...

 

The Death of JesusColossians 2:9-23

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In Adam: you didn’t taste his fruit but u sinned in his body

In Christ: u didnt taste His death but u were punished in His body

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We have been carried through death in the body of Jesus. Now we are beyond wrath, beyond death, beyond sin, beyond law, beyond the flesh (though still in it).  Our judgement day was Good Friday.  We were judged in Christ and that judgement is now finished for us.

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J John, the Church of England's foremost evangelist, has written about the protests outside St Paul's.  He notes that the phrase "What would Jesus do?" is placarded at the campsite...

In this context it may be particularly appropriate to ask, ‘What would St Paul say?’ I have little doubt that he would advocate preaching good news to the captive audience outside. It’s not a bad idea!

Now that they're not being forcibly evicted, it's not only a good idea, it's totally possible.  So I've written to ask if he'll lead the way.  But whatever he says, is anyone else up for a mission to St Paul's?  Be great to proclaim the real City of justice and peace.  In the gospel we have a truly revolutionary vision for the world.

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